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Etymology of emblem
Posted: 26 September 2009 12:45 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Origin of emblem
Emblem derives from the latin emblema (inlaid ornamental work), which is a transliteration of the Greek emblema (embossed ornament, insertion; έμβλημα) from the verb emballo (to insert, lit.: to throw in, from em-: in + ballo/vallo: to throw, to put in; εμβάλλω).


From the same root: emblemize, ballistic, ballet


In modern Greek (Romeika)

a) emblema / emvlema: emblem [έμβλημα]

b) ballo / vallo: put, attack [βάλλω]

c) ballisticos/vallisticos: ballistic [βαλλιστικός]


More: http://ewonago.blogspot.com/ [English Words of no Apparent Greek Origin]

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Posted: 28 September 2009 08:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Middle English, pictorial fable, from Latin emblma, raised ornament, from Greek, embossed design, from emballein, to insert, set in

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/emblem

derived from the Latin word emblema (marquetry; mosaic, inlayed pavement; inlaid relief in bowl)
derived from the Greek word emblema, ἔμβλημα
derived from the Greek word emballein, ἐμβάλλω
derived from the Greek word ballein, βάλλω (to throw)

http://www.myetymology.com/english/emblem.html

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Posted: 29 September 2009 10:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Please, at your convenience, explain Romein/Roman> Greek/Hellene.

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Posted: 30 September 2009 02:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Hi Luke.
Sorry for my delay in aswering. It was due to the lack of time.
I hope that I’ll manage to write about the Romei/Greeks/Hellenes issue in the future.
For now you can see this link by Prof. Clifton Fox (USA) http://www.romanity.org/htm/fox.01.en.what_if_anything_is_a_byzantine.01.htm
and this one by Prof. J Romanides (USA) http://www.romanity.org/htm/rom.16.en.romanity_romania_roumeli.01.htm#s9.
You can also take a look at this extended work by William Yeats: http://www.romanity.org/htm/frame_friesian_en.htm, although I have not studied it in detail and I have not yet a clear opinion on this.
Tell me if you can read Greek, for more links and books
Best regards
John

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Posted: 02 October 2009 09:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Hi John,
Just saw this, and I know you are familiar with this, but just thought I’d share it with you anyhow.

        https://webmail.east.cox.net/do/mail/message/view?msgId=INBOXDELIM25389

And thanks again for the above.  I am looking for the weekend to begin studying what you posted.

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Posted: 02 October 2009 09:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Sorry for my delay in aswering. It was due to the lack of time.

Surely delays accrue from a surfeit of time - not a lack of it ?  Alacrity says its so.

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Posted: 02 October 2009 10:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Weird: doug’s post was before mine above, but I became #4, and doug’s #5.

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Posted: 02 October 2009 10:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Luke, it was there before and disappeared, but I thought it was worth having so I re-posted.

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Posted: 02 October 2009 10:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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There are two postings: perhaps that is it:

          http://www.yourdictionary.com/community/forums/viewthread/5903/#73321 
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        http://www.yourdictionary.com/community/forums/viewthread/5902/#73281

Strange.

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Posted: 02 October 2009 10:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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You’ll notice it is in one, but not the other, and I posted in one but not the other.
Out of body experiences.  Well, it is getting close to Hallowe’en.

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Posted: 02 October 2009 01:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Hi Luke.
Thanks for your interest.

Well the Roman Empire was a state more or less similar to the USA. People with different ethnic backgrounds eventually (after 2-3 generations) become American citizens. Likewise, all the people of the Roman Empire became eventually Roman citizens, even though they were from different ethnic backgrounds. There were two languages spoken in the Empire: Latin and Greek. Both were acceptable. Latin was spoken by just a minority (even before Christ, that is, even before the first century). Remember that the three out of the four Gospels and all the Epistles were written in Greek. The Epistle of Saint Paul to the people of Rome was written in Greek. That means that the majority of the people, even in the city of Rome were Greek-speaking.

Both Greek-speaking and Latin-speaking citizens were all Roman citizens and consider themselfs as brothers and co-patriots and people of the same nation. However, he main characteristic, the main feature of the Empire (especially after the 3rd century) was Orthodoxy. The main axis of the Empire was Orthodox Christianity. The Roman citizens (either Greek- or Latin-speaking) were first of all and above all Christians. Romans were proud to be Christians and not pagans/barbarians. They were proud to be the light in the darkness of the other civilizations. The Empire was the Christian State on Earth.  That was their belief and their major notion.

When the Franks and other barbarians conquered the Western part of the Empire and in order to control the enslaved Romans and cut them from the free part of the Empire they started calling the free Romans as Greeks (Imperatorum Grecorum). They were saying to the enslaved Romans that the free Romans (in Eastern part) were not their brothers but something different, another nation (Greeks). And on top of that, that the Greeks were heretics and not real Christians and that themselfs (the illiteral barbarian Franks and Germans) were the real Cristians and the discentands of the Empire (Holy Roman Empire of the Germanic Nation or something like that).

Anyway, Constantinople/Nova Roma, the capital of the Empire was conquered by the Ottomans in 1453. But, even now, after six centuries the Turks still call the 2,000 Greeks left in Constantinople (last descendans of the Empire in the city) as Rum Ortodoks (that is, Roman Orthodoxs). See the title of the Monastery of Holy Mary in Balikli, Constantinople in Turkish here: http://romiosini.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/παναγία-μοναστήρι-ζωοδόχου-πηγής-βαλ/.

Finally, I must say that the majority of the Turks (especially of the Western part of Turkey) are enslaved Romans forcedly (and some of them willingly) converted to Islam.

Luke, I hope that all the above were usefull to you.

Best regards.

John

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Posted: 04 October 2009 09:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Thanks so much John, As I pm’d you, I am absorbing this.  Most interesting to me is the concept that even modern Greeks think they are the descendants of the ancients, whereas they are really
the descendants of the Roman Empire.  More later.

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Posted: 05 October 2009 06:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Well Luke, let me clarify this. Modern Greeks are descendans of ancient Greeks and at the same time they are descendans of Romans. They are children of Aristotel and at the same time they are children of Justinian. People evolved in a new entity status. A Romios is a Greek- or Latin-speaking Orthodox Roman. Orthodoxy has transformed his hellenic cultural background. There was a creation of a new entity, of a new status, of a new culture. It was, for at least 1000 years the Christian state on earth. This state was badly hurted by the crusaders at 1204 and kneeled by Ottomans at 1453. Modern Greeks are descendans of this state entity.

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Posted: 07 October 2009 03:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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That was bunch of knowledge. I couldn’t understand some. Sounds interesting! Unfortunately, I clicked the link above and it was in a different language. COuld anyone got to check it out?

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Posted: 08 October 2009 08:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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John and I have been discussing the history of the Roman Empire and the descendants of it today.  The Language is Greek.

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Posted: 08 October 2009 05:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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I am tryig to cope up. But when I search for it, the terms are way too difficult for me to understand. what does it mean by Imperium Romanum?

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