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Posted: 28 June 2009 05:56 AM   [ Ignore ]
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  If I win the lottery, I’ll buy a big house.
    If I get promoted, I’ll throw a big party.
    If my team win the Cup, I’ll buy champagne for everybody.


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  If I lived in Japan, I’d have sushi every day.
              If I went to China, I’d visit the Great Wall.
        If I was the President, I’d reduce taxes.     
        If I won the lottery, I’d buy a big house.
        If I got promoted, I’d throw a big party.

I believe above examples are the case of subjunctive mood.


My question is what difference the difference tenses make?

If I say, ‘If I live in Japan, I will have sushi every day’, do I give any different mood than saying, ‘
  If I lived in Japan, I’d have sushi every day?’

(I am not a big fan of sushi though.)

The mood I can’t catch from these dry bone-like sentences.
I mean words with no emotions or unexposed baggage behind them.

Like, when I hear ‘jerk’, all I can sense is that jerk names a bad person.
So, when I use it, I use it in a way I understood the meaning of it, or, what I think it means to be.

How about that!

Please expose any mood in them, if there is any.

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Posted: 28 June 2009 07:27 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Subjunctive Mood

The subjunctive mood is a difficult concept, and many English speakers don’t understand it.

Rather than go into a long explanation, let me suggest a few web sites that explain the subjunctive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjunctive
http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000031.htm
http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/grammar_subjunctive.html

The most common use of the subjunctive is in describing conditions that are contrary to fact. All of your examples are such. The correct versions are as follows.

If I lived in Japan, I’d have sushi every day.
If I went to China, I’d visit the Great Wall.
If I were the President, I’d reduce taxes.   
If I won the lottery, I’d buy a big house.
If I were promoted, I’d throw a big party.

Another uses of the subjunctive occurs with certain verbs (ask, demand, determine, insist, move, order, pray, prefer, recommend, regret, request, require, suggest, and wish.)

For example, “We require that the applicant be proficient in French.”

And then there are certain expression that use the subjunctive:

God bless you (meaning may God bless you)
Rest in peace (meaning may he rest in peace)
If need be
Heaven forbid
So be it

Read more about it, and feel free to ask questions.

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Posted: 29 June 2009 07:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I just want to know the mood difference between   “If I win the lottery, I’ll buy a big house” and “If I won the lottery, I would buy a big house”.

What is the difference between the present form of verb and the past form in the if clause?

Does it mean the same thing except the verb/helping verb tense?

I just want to know the real mood behind those two sentences.

If I say, ““If I win the lottery, I will buy a big house”, do I mean that the lottery drawing is done yet so I don’t know if I win or lose?


If I use the past tense in if clause, am I implying that I didn’t win the lottery, thus, I didn’t buy a big house?

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Posted: 29 June 2009 09:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Your dictionary dot com is so cool!!
A lot of words that I haven’t encountered before.

I’m learning a lot from this!

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Posted: 29 June 2009 10:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Jhim - 29 June 2009 09:54 PM

Your dictionary dot com is so cool!!
A lot of words that I haven’t encountered before.

I’m learning a lot from this!

If only I know, you’re roaming aroud this site to post your past experiences. Hahahahaha!

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Posted: 30 June 2009 06:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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I just want to know the mood difference between   “If I win the lottery, I’ll buy a big house” and “If I won the lottery, I would buy a big house”.

“If I win….” means that there is a chance. “If I won….” means that you won’t. You’re just imagining a condition that isn’t true.

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Posted: 30 June 2009 04:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I see.

Basically, if I use present tense in ‘if’ clause, I want to convey my positive mood, and if I use past tense, kinda negative/passive, right?

So, the tense in ‘if’ clause has nothing to do with the actual tense buy ‘mood’, right?

Am I getting close to the actual mood of the writer/speaker of the subjunctive sentence?

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Posted: 30 June 2009 05:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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saparris - 30 June 2009 06:27 AM

I just want to know the mood difference between   “If I win the lottery, I’ll buy a big house” and “If I won the lottery, I would buy a big house”.

“If I win….” means that there is a chance. “If I won….” means that you won’t. You’re just imagining a condition that isn’t true.

Sometimes, however, “if I won” means I possibly did.  “If I won the lottery, I certainly wasn’t informed of it.”

Sorry to complicate matters!    long face

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Posted: 30 June 2009 07:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Sorry to complicate matters!

Matters pertaining to the subjunctive are complicated already. I think you make a good observation.

Am I getting close to the actual mood of the writer/speaker of the subjunctive sentence?

I don’t think so. It’s not really a matter on positve of negative. In the examples you gave, it’s a matter of whether the if clause is factual or not. Don’t confuse mood with being positive or negative. The subjunctive mood is, according to one definition,

“a set of categories for which the verb is inflected in many languages, and that is typically used to indicate the syntactic relation of the clause in which the verb occurs to other clauses in the sentence, or the attitude of the speaker toward what he or she is saying, as certainty or uncertainty, wish or command, emphasis or hesitancy.”

It about certainty or uncertainty, not about positive or negative.

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Posted: 30 June 2009 10:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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If I win the lottery, I’ll buy a big house.
If I get promoted, I’ll throw a big party.
If my team win the Cup, I’ll buy champagne for everybody.

In these sentences, we are talking about the future. We are thinking about a particular situation in the future, and the result of this condition. For example, you are not promoted yet. But your performances were good, and there is a possiblity that you’ll be promoted. We are going to use WILL for future tense. So, IF YOU GET PROMOTED, (what are you going to do?) YOU’LL THROW A BIG PARTY.

I hope that helps. Don’t forget to invite me for the party. Thanks!

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Posted: 01 July 2009 04:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Saparris - Can you explain why “He dare not leave” is in the subjunctive, despite its certainty?

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Posted: 01 July 2009 06:36 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Saparris - Can you explain why “He dare not leave” is in the subjunctive, despite its certainty?

Dare is a semi-modal verb, which means (I suppose) that you could say, “He dares not leave.  So, “He dare not leave is not really subjunctive. It just looks that way.

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Posted: 01 July 2009 03:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Is subjunctive mood same as conditionals?

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Posted: 01 July 2009 05:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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saparris - 30 June 2009 07:05 PM

I don’t think so. It’s not really a matter on positve of negative. In the examples you gave, it’s a matter of whether the if clause is factual or not. Don’t confuse mood with being positive or negative. The subjunctive mood is, according to one definition,

“a set of categories for which the verb is inflected in many languages, and that is typically used to indicate the syntactic relation of the clause in which the verb occurs to other clauses in the sentence, or the attitude of the speaker toward what he or she is saying, as certainty or uncertainty, wish or command, emphasis or hesitancy.”

It about certainty or uncertainty, not about positive or negative.

I will adjust my understanding of mood according to your teaching.

Now, help me take another step closer to the full understanding of ‘mood’ by clarifying the next question;

I wish I have some good news.
I wish I had some good news.

What is the mood difference between the two sentences?

I wish you are in a good mood to answer my questions.

Would it be okay if I asked the question or will it be okay if I ask the question?

What kind of mood is shown?

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Posted: 01 July 2009 06:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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I wish I have some good news.
I wish I had some good news.

The verb wish requires that the verb following it be past tense, not present, so your first sentence is incorrect. The second one is fine.

It’s sometimes hard to know whether to use indicative or subjunctive mood, but here are some guidelines from the intrnet:

from http://www.britishcouncil.org/learnenglish-central-grammar-wish.htm

The word wish is similar in meaning to the expression “would like”:
          I wish I had a big house = I would like to have a big house.
          I wish I had been there = I would like to have been there.
          I wish you would stop talking = I would like you to stop talking.
          I wish to see the manager = I would like to see the manager.
          I wish you a Merry Christmas = I would like you to have a Merry Christmas.
Its main use is to express regret that things are not different. It is possible to use wish in this way to talk about both the present/future and the past:
          I wish (that) I weren’t here now.
          I wish (that) I didn’t have to go to school tomorrow.
          I wish (that) I had studied harder when I was at school.
Notice that the verb tenses that follow wish are the same as those used in the second and third conditionals (see Grammar definitions).
Also notice the word that can be omitted in more informal speech.
The expression wish … would is used to talk about (lack of) willingness to do things:
          I wish you would tidy your room.
          I wish you wouldn’t always come home so late.
In a formal style, wish + (object) + infinitive can be used in the same way as “want”:
          I wish to speak to the director.
          Do you wish me to serve refreshments, sir?
          Wish is also used in some fixed expressions:
          I/we wish you a Merry Christmas (and a Happy New Year).
          I/we wish you well/all the best.

For more information on the different uses of wish see:
http://faculty.washington.edu/marynell/grammar/wish.html

For some quizzes using wish see:
http://www.better-english.com/grammar/wish1.htm
http://www.better-english.com/grammar/wishes.htm
http://www.better-english.com/grammar/wish2.htm

To see many examples of the use of wish see the Web Concordancer:
http://vlc.polyu.edu.hk/scripts/concordance/WWWConcappE.ht

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Posted: 02 July 2009 05:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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What is the difference between the present form of verb and the past form in the if clause?

Does it mean the same thing except the verb/helping verb tense?

I just want to know the real mood behind those two sentences.

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