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Posted: 20 October 2004 10:37 AM   [ Ignore ]
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"he slipped into a coma" "she fell asleep"  He fell off the wagon"
Someone cannot fall into a coma, or slip off the wagon…..I think.

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Posted: 21 October 2004 12:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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After Freud’s first slip, he fell into the habit.

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Posted: 21 October 2004 02:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Hmmmmm, and how does that make you feel?

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Posted: 22 October 2004 06:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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[quote author=gailr link=board=omni;num=1098315436;start=0#1 date=10/21/04 at 09:33:31]After Freud’s first slip, he fell into the habit.

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Posted: 22 October 2004 06:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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"He slipped and fell . . . "

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Posted: 22 October 2004 08:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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http://www.marionstreetpress.com/dimwitdefinitions.html
contains such gems as:

Inescapable pairs

In an inescapable pair, the first word means much the same as the second or so often accompanies the second that any distinction between them is, in effect, forfeited.


Only occasionally, that is, do we see the word allied without the word closely; asset without valuable; baby without beautiful; balance without delicate; distinction without dubious; error without egregious; tied without inextricably; missed without sorely; poverty without abject; principle without basic.


And only occasionally do we see the word aid without the word abet; alive without well; effective without efficient; hope without pray; hue without cry; pure without simple.


When two words are treated as though they were one — the plight of every inescapable pair — our keenness is compromised, our discernment endangered.


No longer does every word tell; the words themselves have become witless.

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Infantile phrases

Any thought or feeling in which these expressions are found is likely to be made instantly laughable: absolutely, positively; all of the above; because (that’s why); because why?; (as) compared to what?; going on (19); I’ll bet you any amount of money; in no way, shape, or form; intestinal fortitude; it takes one to know one; me, myself, and I; mission accomplished; mutual admiration society; never (not) in a million years; real, live; really and truly; (you) started it; (I) take it back; the feeling’s mutual; the (L)-word; (my) whole, entire life; with a capital (A); without further ado; (62) years young; (a) zillion(s) (of).


Also included among these phrases that strike all but the dimwitted as derisory are notorious advertising slogans (inquiring minds want to know; where’s the beef), song and film titles (a funny thing happened to me on the way to; I can’t get no satisfaction), and alliterative or rhymed phrases (a bevy of beauties; chrome dome).


Other infantile phrases are more disturbing, for they reveal an adolescent, unformed reasoning. Explanations like in the wrong place at the wrong time, it just happened, it’s a free country, and everything’s (it’s all) relative are as farcical as they are possibly fallacious.

Moribund metaphors

Metaphors, like similes, should have the briefest of lives. Their vitality depends on their evanescence.


Yet must we ever endure the dimwitted (it’s) a jungle (out there), an emotional roller coaster, a stroll (walk) in the park, (like) being run over (getting hit) by a (Mack) truck, (as) cool as a cucumber, everything but the kitchen sink, (as) hungry as a horse, leak like a sieve, light at the end of the tunnel, out to lunch, over the hill, pass like ships in the night, (as) phony as a three-dollar bill, (a) piece of cake, rule the roost, window of opportunity, (every parent’s) worst nightmare, and countless other metaphors that characterize people as dull, everyday speakers and writers, indeed, as platitudinarians? Nothing new do they tell us. Nothing more do they show us.


Moreover, if it weren’t for our plethora of metaphors, especially, sports images — above par, a new ballgame, batting a thousand, do (make) an end run around, down for the count, hit a home run, off base, pull no punches, stand on the sidelines, step up to the plate, took the ball and ran with it — and war images — a call to arms, an uphill battle, battle lines are drawn, draw fire, earn his stripes, first line of defense, in the trenches, on the firing line, take by storm — men and, even, women would be far less able to articulate their thoughts. We would speak and write more haltingly than we already do; our thoughts and feelings more misshapen than they already are.


Moribund metaphors interfere with our understanding not only when we use them singly but also, and especially, when we use them simultaneously, that is, when we use them together, metaphor on metaphor. Frequently incongruous, these metaphors disfigure any sentence in which they are found.


- And by last Christmas, for any defense contractor, the dwindling Soviet threat had evolved from meal ticket into writing on the wall.


- Our restaurant cost me and my wife an arm and a leg, but we didn’t build it without planning and we certainly wouldn’t let it go down the drain.


- Right now, USAir’s problem is trying to determine whether this is a soft landing for the economy or a recession, and the jury is still out.


- For 20 years she was a rising star in the business, but by last year her success had gone to the dogs.


- In the face of mounting pressure to gut or eliminate the IRS, it continues to shoot itself in the foot by biting the hands that feed them.


- Looking at those things, it didn’t take a rocket scientist to see there was something rotten in Denmark.


- Thanks to Clinton, Lewinsky, & Co., I’m off the hook and it’s on the table.


- Things were already bad, but when we saw those things coming down the pike, that was the last nail in the coffin.


We rely on metaphors not because we feel they make our speech and writing more vivid and inviting but because we fail to learn how to express ourselves otherwise; we know not the words.


In truth, the more of these metaphors that we use, the less effective is our speech and writing. Neither interesting nor persuasive, their expression fatigues us where we thought it would inform us, annoys us where we believed it would amuse us, and benumbs us where we hoped it would inspire us.

so lets drop those overworked words and phases from our vocabularies and begin to fall into a coma, or slip into sleep instead!

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Posted: 22 October 2004 03:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I like the current ad that has an executive saying, "It’s not rocket surgery, people."

Sounds like a real curmudgeon compiled your list, Katy, but he omitted the inescapable pair beloved by the DMV: "full and complete stop".  :)

Here’s a list of other, just slightly off, metaphors. I’ve heard some of these, e.g.: doggie dog world. (yech!) They’re close, but no cigarette.

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Posted: 23 October 2004 03:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Gailr, that rocket surgery quote was my tagline for a while.  
Perhaps that curmudgeon was confronted daily with someone whho said things like "we worked hard to get the car clean and this and that…...or and everything."  And all lists were reduced to "stuff".
I do think that metaphors do need to be updated, trite is, well trite.

Katy
Gailr, looking over that list you gave us, I think of my friend who insists on saying for all intensive purposes.  I believe many people who are self-taught, (the parents just didn’t have ‘it’), often come up with odd metapfors and idioms.

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Posted: 24 October 2004 03:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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I believe many people who are self-taught, (the parents just didn’t have ‘it’), often come up with odd metapfors and idioms.

How true, although sometimes their versions are amusingly accurate however misheard and/or misunderstood. I worked with a child who did not want to go out in the rain and become "sobbing wet".

Then there was the former coworker who was eager to go to California and see the hunchback whales… (The harpoons! The harpoons!)

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Posted: 24 October 2004 05:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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One of my other favourite sites, http://www.languagelog.org/, irregularly features what has been dubbed "eggcorns" (found erroneously used for "acorns"). The latest one :
"‘pier-to-pier network(ing)’ in place of ‘peer-to-peer network(ing)’. Makes sense, right? Eliminate those troublesome shipping delays, and just virtually connect one dock directly to another? But this is one of those cases where it’s hard to tell whether the writer is really thinking about juxtaposing docks, or whether they’re just confused about how to spell peer."

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Posted: 24 October 2004 02:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Thanks for the site, anders. I will now be on the lookout for references to "pre-Madonnas"...   smile

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Posted: 24 October 2004 02:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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This thread has taken on a life of it’s own, Good!

Welcome back, Agora

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Posted: 25 October 2004 02:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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One of my other favourite sites, http://www.languagelog.org/, irregularly features what has been dubbed "eggcorns"

a good site to bookmark and glean.

Katy
thanks Anders.

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Posted: 06 November 2004 07:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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[quote author=gailr link=board=omni;num=1098315436;start=0#8 date=10/24/04 at 12:46:44]...
Then there was the former coworker who was eager to go to California and see the hunchback whales…

The ones that swam all the way from Nôtre Dame ?...

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Ad turpia nemo obligatur.

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Posted: 06 November 2004 10:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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[quote author=KatyBr link=board=omni;num=1098315436;start=0#14 date=11/06/04 at 16:47:14]well, they’d have to drive from South Bend to New Buffalo ...

I was thinking more in terms of their swimming up the Seine and then out into the Atlantic, but I guess I’ll have to re-read Hugo’s novel. Or do the Southbenders call their (American) football team the Hunchbacks ?...

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Posted: 07 November 2004 11:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Either investigative trip sounds rather long, Henri and Katy. Both would leave you with Moping Dicks*.

gailr

*Definition # 1, obviously. We were discussing "hunchback" whales, not sperm whales.

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