I don’t think I like this forum anymore. I come here to discuss and learn words, I don’t come here to see people fighting. What is going on here? We never fought before. Who cares about Islam? I don’t. Who cares whether this guy is white, green or pink with white spots? I certainly don’t. Maybe I’m in serious need of a vacation from this place.
Sorry BD, I don’t mean to be rude, but a quite good solution for you would be not to read the posts where you know non-linguistic issues are being discussed. That’s it.
I offer you my apologies for disturbing you, but not for what I said. I do care about Islam, I do care about the world and we all live in it. Many choose not to post in the threads where these kind of things are discussed, maybe because they’re enough tired of it in the "real world."
keep it real, and keep posting! There are hundreds of threads!
Sorry BD, I don’t mean to be rude, but a quite good solution for you would be not to read the posts where you know non-linguistic issues are being discussed. That’s it.
But they leap to my eyes, since I always select read the 10 latest posts. So, I don’t mean to be rude, but phoeey on that.
What I think is that, if what we say were so wrong, the admins would deal with it. In any case, I don’t think that reading two lines of argumentations, before passing on to other things, on something other than language (for we do try to give arguments, so it’s not all about shouting and screaming), could hurt anyone much.
I agree BD, the same stupid argument is given for the other objectionable things in life. As if we can actually avoid them.
Katy
Well, I don’t think it stupid, nor was I thinking about the terrible things we face in our daily life we can’t avoid… so, let it be…
Anyway, I will try not to start or continue such fightings…
I can testify that we have lost members before, due to the types of postings on the forum, according to their own words once I asked them why they left. So the philosophy that "you can just ignore what doesn’t interest you" is not necessarily a helpful attitude to maintain for a discussion forum, where one does not have the option to merely check a box and make certain posters’ comments disappear.
In addition, the attitude that "the admins would deal with it" has been proven wrong numerous times in the past. We have to really work hard as members of this forum to get the admins to move when it comes to correcting a difficult poster. Remember how long it took to get Buzz banned? And s/he was awful! I just don’t think the admins have that much time, to review every post for inappropriate content.
I don’t see how these things (arguments) can be avoided. There is no possible way that at least once in a while someone is going to be offended and feel they have to say something about it!
As I have stated on numerous previous occasions, I also agree that, this being a discussion forum, it would be practically impossible to refrain from straying off topic here and there, or to completely keep from posting one’s opinion(s). We like to talk and think about such things, or we wouldn’t have come here to begin with. And this is still probably one of the nicest groups of adults all congregated in "one place" on the ‘net, if not the nicest, from my experience.
I do have a lot more to say, but it will have to wait for another time when I can actually stop long enough to think how I want to say it.
Firstly, I agree with Sitran, maybe because we’re both (may I?) kinda aggressive when our innermost opinions are in dispute.
I do have a lot more to say, but it will have to wait for another time when I can actually stop long enough to think how I want to say it.
Maybe you’ve pulled the right string… I feel many times that arguments begin because I simply couldn’t reread my post to check it. I write things I might well say in other contexts I’m used to without causing more than a quiet laugh. But then here they become a snowball running downhill. That I would wish to avoid, although it would help, if no one believed I’m saying that in bad faith.
You know, that reminds me of something! I heard an interview with a Brazilian doctor the other night, and his accent was so strange to me, like Slavicized Italian. I promised myself that I would remember some of the features but have forgotten!
Ah! Every intervocal ‘s’ was pronounced ‘z’ and and the past tense, when he used it, was always "pronouncèd." This was esp. distractive in the word "happenèd."
I think too that there is a contraint opposite of that in Spanish.
In Spanish you don’t end word with "m," where it seemed to me that you can’t end a word in "n" in (Brazilian?) Portuguese.
<<<You know, that reminds me of something! I heard an interview with a Brazilian doctor the other night, and his accent was so strange to me, like Slavicized Italian. I promised myself that I would remember some of the features but have forgotten!<<<
Lol, remembers me of sitting in Lisboa and wondering which Slavic language the people on the opposite table were speaking. It turned out to be the very slavic language… Portuguese. I’m not going to tell how long i was already in Portugal…
Interesting to read that these "slavic" features are audible when another language is spoken.
<<<Ah! Every intervocal ‘s’ was pronounced ‘z’ and and the past tense, when he used it, was always "pronouncèd." This was esp. distractive in the word "happenèd." I think to that there is a contraint opposite of that in Spanish. In Spanish you don’t end word with "m," where it seemed to me that you can’t end a word in "n" in (Brazilian) Portuguese.<<<
I have the impression that many native speakers of Spanish and Portuguese have tremendous problems with any kind of word final consonantal cluster, as in /hapnd/. Generally (but any comment is welcome), i have the idea that speakers of Spanish delete the last consonant of the cluster, and speakers of Portuguese insert a vowel, the way Sitran discribed, or ad a vowel at the end.
I have the impression that many native speakers of Spanish and Portuguese have tremendous problems with any kind of word final consonantal cluster, as in /hapnd/. Generally (but any comment is welcome), i have the idea that speakers of Spanish delete the last consonant of the cluster, and speakers of Portuguese insert a vowel, the way Sitran discribed, or ad a vowel at the end.
I don’t think we differ that much there… It’s just the way you are acquainted with the term… This doctor probably had read much more English than spoken it… Therefore, he inconsciously tried "to read what is written". I guess that, if he had only heard the word, he would have dropped the final consonant. In this, I do think that Spanish and Portuguese speakers have the same habitudes… Btw, it’s hard for me to hear Portuguese!! Every time I’ve met a native, he could speak Spanish!! Or either our English was far better than our mutual Romance understanding.
I agree, WS! Any Portuguese person that I met was always able to understand Spanish, and modify their Portuguese to conform to an intelligible "proto-"Spanish.
