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Posted: 18 May 2004 04:47 PM   [ Ignore ]
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I am so used to this turn of phrase, that it took years for me to wonder why it is used in this form; rather than the more logical "added value".

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Posted: 18 May 2004 06:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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1. avt does not conform to the morpheme constrains of English
2. The tax is the Tax on the Value (which has been) Added (to the item)
The parentheses are to indicate words deleted from the final expression.  Thus, a VAT

I think this method of forming modifiers out of a noun and verb is fairly common.  For example

Light bending device
mountain grown coffee

What I don’t understand is why sitting around in the retail shop adds value to the goods.  Besides, if it were actually a Value Added Tax, I think it should calculated from the amount by which the value of the goods increased over the cost of the raw materials.

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Posted: 18 May 2004 10:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Government does not have to obey the morpheme constraints that govern English!

Venomously Added  Tax!

VAT!

Sitran

PS  I am just so tired of those rich people paying so much more than their fair share.  

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Posted: 19 May 2004 12:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I suppose ‘added value’ means that the value has increased (either by reducing the price or by increasing the quality). ‘Value added’ that something has been added to the value (like a tax). Most people use the phrase ‘value added’ to mean ‘added value’, and really meaning increased quality. Compare ‘manmade’ and ‘made man’.

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PS  I am just so tired of those rich people deflating the value of fairness.  ;)

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Posted: 19 May 2004 12:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I suppose that I was not sufficiently precise in posing my question.  I don’t think twice about "value added" in the context of a sales tax, whether it is VAT or TVA (as it is referred to in some European countries).

I was more thinking about it in the business arena (i.e. not the commerce arena), where people will speak of a "value added" proposition.  Or where one might say that such and such a strategy brings "value added" to the plan, etc.

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Posted: 19 May 2004 12:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Some less commercial definitions I found were:

The parts of the process that add worth from the perspective of the external customer.
It seems to mean apparant quality.

A process or operation that increases the worth of a good or service as perceived by the internal or external customer, as opposed to an operation that may simply incur costs due to the performance of an activity. ex.-in processing metal coils, stamping the part out of the coil into the form required by the customer adds value; moving the coil from the warehouse to where it is processed does not.

The value added to a product as it passes from raw material along the production chain.

To be a value added action the action must meet all three of the following criteria: 1) The customer is willing to pay for this activity. 2) It must be done right the first time. 3) The action must somehow change the product or service in some manner.

A voice or data network service that uses available transmission facilities and adds some other service or services to increase the value of the transmission.

It seems to be a piece of quite inane business jargon. It almost always seems to mean ‘improved quality’ or ‘increased profits’, both ideas being incorporated into the nebulous term ‘value’. At least in terms of tax it makes some sense.

Perhaps the next time we hear someone say ‘added value’ we should ask them if they simply mean ‘improved quality’. If they then agree, we might exhort them to eschew further obfuscation.

- Garzo.

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Posted: 19 May 2004 12:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Are you implying that the prospects of the business world are becoming obfuscatory?

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Posted: 19 May 2004 01:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Indubitably!

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Posted: 19 May 2004 02:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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maybe "added value" is from "add-valued," from which the tense marker got attracted by the verb.  Comp. a grey-haired gentleman.

1. his hair is grey.
2. value is added.

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Posted: 19 May 2004 02:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Not to mention it’s just plain easier to say VAR (Value Added Reseller) than AVR (Added Value Reseller)... Although many VAR’s forget they’re supposed to be more than just a reseller…!

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Posted: 19 May 2004 03:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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I’ve been through more than one business restructuring where "value added" was slung about in pep talks urging us to comply, as we embraced change! :D I don’t think it means anything, really. It just sounds as though it should mean something, and that is quite good enough for those who need to prove value in order to hang onto their territory and budgets.

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Posted: 19 May 2004 06:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Now this is becoming a value-added thread!  ;)

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Posted: 19 May 2004 07:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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[quote author=gailr link=board=idiom;num=1084945673;start=0#11 date=05/19/04 at 12:06:24]I’ve been through more than one business restructuring where "value added" was slung about in pep talks urging us to comply, as we embraced change! :D I don’t think it means anything, really. It just sounds as though it should mean something, and that is quite good enough for those who need to prove value in order to hang onto their territory and budgets.


You are only too right, Gail.

Tim, isn’t VAR short for varmints? (TIC)

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Posted: 19 May 2004 10:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Value added also a real meaning in the realm of tariffs on importations.

If something is exported from a country to another country to add a component or to increase the value of in some other way, upon reimportationa tariff is often placed only on the "value added", not on the value of the entire product.

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Posted: 21 May 2004 08:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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While I couldn’t find a definition in the yDc’s AHD, I did find one at WordReference.com:

value added
noun  the difference between the total revenues of a firm, industry, etc., and its total purchases from other firms, industries, etc. The aggregate of values added throughout an economy (gross value added) represents that economy’s gross domestic product

It smells to me like it’s been imported from the Dismal Science (Economics) into MBA-Speak, and from there into use by marketers and management wannabes who really have no foggy notion of what they are talking about.

 

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Posted: 21 May 2004 11:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Well Larry, you seem to be on the right track. I am certain that most users of the term do not intend to convey that they, or others, are bring GDP to the table.

Another interesting word, from the world of accounting, is "goodwill".  It seems to almost be an oxymoron, in that one could ask "how good is the will, if it expires over time?".  (see below)

In the accounting sense, Goodwill can be thought of as a "premium" for buying a business.  When one company buys another, the amount they pay is called the purchase price.  Accountants take the purchase price and subtract it by a company’s book value.  The difference is called Goodwill.  (There is a review of book value in Part 27.)

When a company buys another company, they can use one of two accounting methods: pooling of interest or purchase.  When the pooling of interest method is used, the balance sheets of the two businesses are combined and no goodwill is created.  When the purchase method is used, the acquiring company will put the premium they paid for the other company on their balance sheet under the "Goodwill" category.  Accounting rules require the goodwill be amortized over the course of 40 years.

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