Agora Forums
 
   
 
Man-made or artificial?
Posted: 06 May 2004 04:42 AM   [ Ignore ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  131
Joined  2004-01-25

Can anybody explain to me whether we say "an artificial lake" or maybe "a man-made lake"?   ??? Thank you for your help!:)

 Signature 

“The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who think.”&&Horace; Walpole &&

Profile
 
 
Posted: 06 May 2004 04:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  1233
Joined  2004-04-29

Hiya Kasia!

You can say either. Artificial can have negative connotations, implying that it’s not real. Whilst man-made can seem to say, "Look what we can do, aren’t we clever?" Some people do not like man-made because it might be thought of as sexist: not woman-made. The root of the word artifice means to make something skillfully, so I prefer it.

Have fun,
Garzo.

 Signature 

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.&&-The First Letter of Saint Paul to the Corinthians, chapter 13.

Profile
 
 
Posted: 06 May 2004 04:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  839
Joined  2004-04-10

How about "the lake formerly known as Young’s meadow"?

Perry

 Signature 

“...or do I misconstrue?” (acronym = odim?) David Gaynes (too many times to put a date on it!)

Profile
 
 
Posted: 06 May 2004 08:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  1922
Joined  2002-08-01

Well, in the main I agree with Garzo, but although bread is obviously man-made, it’s not necessarily artificial, unless, of course, you are a Frenchman forced to eat Wonder Bread.   wink

 Signature 

Regards//Larry &&&&“Her heart was as cold as a stone at the bottom of a mountain lake.”)&&    Travis McGee on Bonita Hersch, Nightmare in Pink (John D. MacDonald)

Profile
 
 
Posted: 06 May 2004 09:33 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  2623
Joined  2003-02-22

Garzo:

Some people do not like man-made because it might be thought of as sexist: not woman-made.

Guidelines for Gender-Fair Use of Language

2. The Pseudo-Generic Man: Creating Gender Balance

Like the pseudo-generic form he, the use of the word man to represent both women and men excludes women, and it minimalizes their contributions and their worth as human beings.

Some forms pose greater problems than those listed above:

   *

     man-made (as in man-made materials). Artificial materials or even synthetic materials has less positive connotations when substituted here.
   *

     freshman (as in certain official names such as freshman orientation). First-year student is an alternative which may work.
   *

     alumni which is the masculine plural form; alumnae is the feminine plural.

Language plays a central role in the way human beings behave and think. The National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE) is concerned about the critical role language plays in promoting fair treatment of women and girls, men and boys. Through careful selection of gender-fair language, NCTE members have the opportunity to influence thought and behavior both directly and indirectly.

Bah! Humbug!

Control the language; control the thoughts?!?

I don’t think so!

Sitran

 Signature 

“Science in its ideology sees itself as doing a fearless exploration of the unknown. Most of the time it is a fearful exploration of the almost known.”&&&&- Rupert Sheldrake &&&&

Profile
 
 
Posted: 06 May 2004 10:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  839
Joined  2004-04-10

[quote author=KatyBr link=board=what;num=1083865341;start=0#5 date=05/06/04 at 19:43:49]
agreed, I found my pc language does not elevate my opinions to non-idiot bias, for instance.

Katy

So I may  still use "wolfsbane"http://www.interrobang-mks.com/images/logo.gif

Perry

 Signature 

“...or do I misconstrue?” (acronym = odim?) David Gaynes (too many times to put a date on it!)

Profile
 
 
Posted: 06 May 2004 01:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  839
Joined  2004-04-10

Perhaps I’ll give up wolfsbane and hensbane.  After all, no bane - less pain.

Perry

 Signature 

“...or do I misconstrue?” (acronym = odim?) David Gaynes (too many times to put a date on it!)

Profile