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Posted: 21 May 2004 11:27 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Hello,
Could you help me with the right use of these words and with the exact difference between them? Thanks a lot! smile

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Posted: 22 May 2004 02:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Short general answer-
rent things: "We rented a car at the airport."
hire people: "We hired a driver for a trip through the countryside."

However, a thing can also be for hire: "The limousine was for hire for weddings, proms and opening nights."

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who tries to avoid artwork for hire!

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Posted: 22 May 2004 03:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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I won’t attempt to define the differences , however I can tell you something about their usage. As far as the U.K. is concerned at least , we traditionally use the word "rent" when refering to a building or land.  We would rent a home , an office , or a field for grazing animals. However , we would "hire" a motor vehicle , tools or equipment etc.
I should add that with the increasing americanisation of the language many businesses now operate under names such as "Rentacar" , "Rentaphone".

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Posted: 22 May 2004 05:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Here is what AHD has to say on the matter.

rent[sup]1[/sup]

n.
1. a. Payment, usually of an amount fixed by contract, made by a tenant at specified intervals in return for the right to occupy or use the property of another. b. A similar payment made for the use of a facility, equipment, or service provided by another.

2. The return derived from cultivated or improved land after deduction of all production costs.

3. The revenue yielded by a piece of land in excess of that yielded by the poorest or least favorably located land under equal market conditions. Also called economic rent.

v. rent·ed, rent·ing, rents

v. tr.
1. To obtain occupancy or use of (another’s property) in return for regular payments.

2. To grant temporary occupancy or use of (one’s own property or a service) in return for regular payments: rents out TV sets.

v. intr.
To be for rent: The cottage rents for $1,200 a month.

Idiom:
for rent
Available for use or service in return for payment.

[Middle English rente, from Old French, from Vulgar Latin *rendita, from feminine past participle of *rendere, to yield, return ; see render.]

renta·bili·ty n.
renta·ble adj.

hire
v. hired, hir·ing, hires

v. tr.
1. a. To engage the services of (a person) for a fee; employ: hired a new clerk. b. To engage the temporary use of for a fee; rent: hire a car for the day.

2. To grant the services of or the temporary use of for a fee: hired himself out as a cook; hired out the cottage for the summer.

v. intr.
To obtain work: She hired on as a deck hand. He hired out as a photographer.

n.
1. a. The act of hiring. b. The condition or fact of being hired.

2. a. Payment for services; wages. b. Payment for the use of something.

3. Informal One who is hired: two new hires in the sales department.

[Middle English hiren, from Old English hýrian.]

hira·ble or hirea·ble adj.
hirer n.

In general, I use ‘rent’ for buildings and ‘hire’ for people and things. It is very unusual in British English to use the word ‘hire’ as a noun.

When used as a transitive verb, I can see a slight distinction upon the lines of ‘lend’/‘borrow’ and ‘teach’/‘learn’.

"Bill lent Ben ten euros."/"Ben borrowed ten euros from Bill."
"Bill taught Ben how to ride a bike."/"Ben learnt how to ride a bike form Bill."
"Bill rented a pogo stick to Ben."/"Ben hired a pogo stick from Bill."

- ‘Boing’ said Garzo.

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Posted: 22 May 2004 07:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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you RENT an inanimate object, you HIRE an animate one.

How does the yankee phrase "rent a cop" fit here?

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Posted: 22 May 2004 07:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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[quote author=KatyBr link=board=what;num=1085228859;start=0#4 date=05/22/04 at 16:05:19]you RENT an inanimate object, you HIRE an animate one.  
To drive another’s car you rent, to get someone to drive it you Hire

KT

Oh no you don’t; you can hire all sorts of inanimate objects as long as they are for rent.

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Posted: 22 May 2004 02:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Edgeotheearth, Kansas

Is that close to Notevenahowardjohnsons, Arkansas?

You can "Rent a Tire" but not "Hire a Tire", apparently. Though the tire is for hire, for sure.

Who has ever hired an apartment?

Taxis in London used to boast the device "For Hire".

Mall guards are sometimes known as "Rent-a-cops", not "Hire-a-Cops."  OK, so now I’m confused…

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Posted: 22 May 2004 02:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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[quote author=KatyBr link=board=what;num=1085228859;start=0#9 date=05/22/04 at 23:38:40]
where can you rent tires?  

Here.

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Posted: 22 May 2004 04:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Hey, PW’s dreadfully close to his Orwellian post… ;D

I agree with Katy, as far as common practice is concerned.  And that seems to be what she is referring to, as I read her post.  The ‘joke’ in the term/phrase Rent-a-cop is that we are reducing the person to a thing…

The logic behind rent/hire that Garzo submitted is hard to dismiss, however.  But I don’t think my experience can substantiate it.

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Posted: 22 May 2004 08:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I can confirm that taxis throughout the UK , not only London , display an illuminated sign "For Hire" when they are available to pick up passengers.
Also in the UK it is indeed possible to "Rent-a-cop".  You can hire a policeman for duties such as traffic control during private events that attract large crowds.

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Posted: 23 May 2004 12:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Tim

The ‘joke’ in the term/phrase Rent-a-cop is that we are reducing the person to a thing…

Galatas

Also in the UK it is indeed possible to "Rent-a-cop".  You can hire a policeman for duties such as traffic control during private events that attract large crowds.

Around here, "rent-a-cop" does not indicate a legitimate police officer. If I pop into a store on an errand, I will exit past a young person (usually a young man, although not always) whom we refer to as the "rent-a-cop". He is always decked out in a para-police or military uniform, festooned with braid and brass buttons; his crisply-pressed khaki trousers sport those side stripes. His shoes are polished. He is armed with a walkie talkie, and sometimes other mysterious leather pouches affixed to his belt. All these trappings of authority are intended to create a sense of SECURITY for good customers, and imminent peril for would-be ne’er-do-wells! Then, the eye lands on the rent-a-cop’s face. Am I alone in wondering if they are even old enough to shave yet?  :D
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Posted: 23 May 2004 04:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Many times, at least around here, "rent-a-cops" are either off-duty or retired police officers.

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Posted: 24 May 2004 12:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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[quote author=KatyBr link=board=what;num=1085228859;start=0#9 date=05/22/04 at 23:38:40]
where can you rent tires?  and the rent a cops is said for its sound appeal, its a joke. It is a misuse of the word Rent and is in fact a joke partly because you can’t actually rent a cop.  

KT

I remember one commentator during the early post-9/11 fighting in Afghanistan saying that you can’t buy an Afghan, but you can rent one . . .
[hr]One may not be able to rent a cop, but some have been bought off . . .

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Posted: 24 May 2004 01:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Rent-a-cop is usually a pejorative term.  Our Federal Government building is guarded by a gun-toting contract guard force rather than FPOs (Federal Protective Officers), the Federal Government Police Officers with arrest authority.  They are not all young, male, and slim.

Close to ten years ago, at a previous building, someone came in, fired a shot through a wall, and robbed the guards (a different contractor, I think) of some handguns.  It turns out the perp was the cousin of one of the contract guards.

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Posted: 26 May 2004 02:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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I hope no Agoran ever has rent a cop!

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Posted: 26 May 2004 03:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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So do you rent a sunder, or defer to a hire authority?

- PW

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