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Posted: 30 October 2005 01:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Bridezilla? ;D

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Posted: 30 October 2005 11:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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TIM- You’re a smarty-pants.

KATY- Some people might say that if the guy didn’t like being humiliated, he either would not have married her in the first place, or left her by now.

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Posted: 31 October 2005 01:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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I never believed Patty…

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Posted: 31 October 2005 03:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Why, do you think she really had the syndrome and wasn’t aware/responsible for her participation in the robbery?

I said go nap!  ;)

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Posted: 31 October 2005 05:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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I certainly agree with you, K, that the syndrome is absolutely real with respect to the hapless victims of kidnapping who eventually feel compelled to "join up" with, or even "love", their captors. The phenomenon is not all that surprising given that when such victims are helplessly and hopelessly overwhelmed by the awesome power being exerted over them, their survival instinct kicks in and searches for any possible way out.

A not illogical strategy emerges and is implemented. The victim tries to calm, placate, and cajole her captor by mentally "stepping outside of herself" (a defense mechanism employed to shield one’s self from severe psychological trauma) and by assuming a "fake" identity with a new, uncharacteristic personality which projects submission, compassion, understanding, warmth, admiration, and even love for her captor, all in a desperate attempt to convince him that she truly cares about him and his cause and that, therefore, he should consider her to be a "person" rather than an "object", care about her, and spare her life.

As may happen in all types of abuse cases, the victim’s "make believe" world becomes real to her out of necessity; in order to survive the ordeal. So much is at stake (the victim’s life) that the mind automatically determines that any risk is worth taking. The condition is perhaps the saddest psychological response to grave threat that exists in man; I think you know me well enough by now to have noticed that the only time I become truly angry is when I see a more powerful person abuse the human dignity of a weaker person. I have never and just can’t stand by and let that happen. Especially when it comes to kids. I am getting angry/almost crying just thinking about it.

Most disturbing to me about all this is that cavalier morons (husbands, fathers of perpetrators, cops, etc.) perpetuate the deranged idea that "she was asking for it". They spit, "She must have done something to provoke her abduction/rape/battering/etc. It must be her fault".

I wrote a paper in law school about Battered Woman Syndrome. The cases I focused on were those in which the battered wife ended up killing her husband. Back when I was studying law, in the mid-eighties, the syndrome was just starting to be used as a defense for these poor women being tried for murder. Older, imbecilic judges wouldn’t buy it at first, but eventually, it took root.

At these trials, the question was whether the syndrome could serve as a basis for finding that the murder was either "justified" (no wrongdoing) or "excusable" (the murder was wrong, but, because of the circumstances, the defendant should be excused for the act), one of which must exist in order to find the defendant not guilty because the killing was in self-defense. A plea of not guilty based on self-defense requires that the defendant truly believed that she was "trapped" in the relationship because her husband had vowed to hunt her down and kill her (or, in the really sick cases) their kids) and so being held hostage in imminent danger of being killed by her husband. She had to have sincerely, reasonably believed that the next time he battered her, she surely would be killed, and so she, in self-defense, felt that she had to beat him to the punch in order to survive. Proof of such a belief was submitted in the form of her detailed testimony (and that of any witnesses willing to testify on her behalf - rarely) about the long, terrible history of violence, the escalation of injuries and time went on, and the increasingly vehement, insane threats by the husband.

In the first case of this kind, (tried before a female judge - thank goodness) the battered wife was acquitted.

Now would you please go to a movie or something so I can work on my response to the broca thread!?  :-*

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Posted: 31 October 2005 07:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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You continue to amaze.

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Posted: 31 October 2005 03:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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I hear you, Katy. I took calls on a domestic abuse crisis line for too long, helped with too many intakes, and filled out too many police reports. Like the quote from 8mm: "There are some things that you see, and you can’t unsee them." One of the most tragic parts of the equation (at least to my mind): the "friends" and family of the victim who insist that the couple stay together for the sake of the children, or because god will consign her to perdition if she "talks back" or, worse yet, leaves.

That’s one reason my hackles raise at terms like "feminazi"—or any other words designed to force people back into little cagtegories that make the speaker feel better.

As for the lady in the airport (or anyone else who vents abuse on the hourly employees): she was a b!tch, nothing more and nothing less. And her male counterparts are b@st@rds. (Here’s another language reflection for you: have you ever noticed that there are no "insult words" for out-of-control males? They are either veiled, ah, compliments or attacks on his mother.)

I’ll close with something on a lighter note…
http://www.newspress.com/weddings/articles/bridezilla.jpg

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Posted: 01 November 2005 12:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Gail, re: the "out of control male" scenario—here at work, we just call them micromanagers, or when they’re really bad, picomanagers... wink

And the reflection is a valid one.  In our culture(s), historically and continuing for the most part unabated through today, men are rewarded for being in charge, or at least having a "take charge" attitude.  Women either have to face the insults of others or manipulate the situation to camouflage the truth that they are in charge.

I’ve been known to call men who are the male counterpart to the b!tch "@ssholes".  But that doesn’t really convey the same type of behavior, does it?  I think you’re right.

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Posted: 01 November 2005 08:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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I admit I’m lost.  Where did that point get missed?

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Posted: 01 November 2005 08:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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To turn a phrase, it’s all bad.

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Posted: 02 November 2005 07:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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[quote author=gailr link=board=what;num=1130567450;start=30#36 date=11/01/05 at 00:58:18]One of the most tragic parts of the equation (at least to my mind): the "friends" and family of the victim who insist that the couple stay together for the sake of the children, or because god will consign her to perdition if she "talks back" or, worse yet, leaves.

Precisely, as I said above:

[quote author=VB link=board=what;num=1130567450;start=30#32 date=10/31/05 at 14:48:22]Most disturbing to me about all this is that cavalier morons (husbands, fathers of perpetrators, cops, etc.) perpetuate the deranged idea that "she was asking for it". They spit, "She must have done something to provoke her abduction/ rape/ battering/ etc. It must be her fault".

[quote author=Tim link=board=what;num=1130567450;start=30#37 date=11/01/05 at 09:43:12]I’ve been known to call men who are the male counterpart to the b!tch "@ssholes".

I’ve been known to b*tch-slap the *ssholes.

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Posted: 02 November 2005 09:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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You’re right.

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Posted: 02 November 2005 01:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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[quote author=gailr link=board=what;num=1130567450;start=30#36 date=11/01/05 at 00:58:18]I’ll close with something on a lighter note…
http://www.newspress.com/weddings/articles/bridezilla.jpg

gailr

I missed my chance earlier, but the nice thing about the internet is that sometimes time doesn’t matter.

[pun]
I guess this was gailr’s "veiled" attempt at humor.
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Posted: 02 November 2005 01:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Now the other one just looks green with envy…

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Posted: 02 November 2005 01:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Oh man! I am just a pale green jealous wreck, now!

However, I cannot help but notice that "my" Bridezilla is modestly, albeit shockingly, attired.

Yours, on the other hand…and from the person always clucking over our morals, no less…

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