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Posted: 03 May 2003 07:09 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I found an interesting thought on this: In fact, there are at least two other theories. The first concerns two medieval parties, the Guelphs and the Ghibellines. The Guelphs were supposed to have despised their rival Ghibellines so much that their name became a ‘bogey’ word, and ultimately evolved into modern ‘goblin’. The Ghibellines despised the Guelphs in equal measure, and so their name, too, apparently descended to modern times as ‘elf’. Ingenious and economical as this theory is, it is almost certainly wrong.

A somewhat more plausible idea relates goblins back to the almost-forgotten fairy figure of Ghob, the King of the Gnomes. In Old English, the earth-spirits who followed him might well have been referred to as Ghoblings, and this gives us a third possible source of the name, somewhat older than the other two.

Right or wrong?

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Posted: 03 May 2003 09:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Goblin from Norman French gobelin, the name of the ghost that haunted the French town of Évreux (12th century?).

I couldn’t find out much more about this ghost or the story.

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Posted: 03 May 2003 10:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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From the Online Etymology Dictionary:

goblin - early 14c., from O.Fr. gobelin, of uncertain origin, perhaps related to Ger. kobold (see cobalt), or dim. of proper name Gobel.

I was wondering about the name of the Gobelin fabric. It is named after the Gobelin works in Paris, which in turn was named after the founding family.

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Posted: 06 May 2003 06:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Ilka,
is there a good etymological dictionary of German?

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Posted: 06 May 2003 08:00 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I use the Duden Dictionary of Etymology. Much of it is actually on the Internet.

1. Go to http://www.duden.de.
2. Press "Suchen" on the left navigation frame.
3. Enter the word you’d like info on under "Suchbegriffe" in the main frame.
4. Mark it.
5. Press Mr. Check at the bottom left.
The meaning of the word appears, preceded by the etymology.

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Posted: 06 May 2003 03:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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I forgot to say it is called Das Herkunftswörterbuch: Etymologie der deutschen Sprache, ISBN 3-411-20907-0, and that I find it to be reliable. It has not let me down since I have started consulting it more intensively while visiting the Agora.

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Posted: 06 May 2003 09:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I couldn’t find a thing on Duden’s site.

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Posted: 06 May 2003 09:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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If you look on the left navigation bar, you’ll see six channels: Service, Neue Rechtschreibung, etc. Below that, there are 5 smaller icons arranged horizontally. The first says Start, the next one is Suchen. Click on Suchen and continue from there. Hope this helps.

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