Agora Forums
 
   
 
f u c k
Posted: 13 February 2004 02:56 AM   [ Ignore ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  1934
Joined  2003-12-26

A student once asked me if it was true that f u c k (I’m spacing the letters out lest the word be censured) had come from fornication under the consent of the king, which he had read somewhere.  I thought that was unlikely and checked my Merriam Webster’s dictionary and found out that it is akin to Dutch fokken and a Swedish dialect word fokka, and that was the answer I gave him (it also occurred to me there’s a similar German word: ficken).  Has anybody ever heard this explanation?  Somehow I strangely feel that it would be fascinating should that be true.
Regards,
Brazilian dude

 Signature 

Languages rule!

Profile
 
 
Posted: 13 February 2004 05:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  198
Joined  2003-03-13

I found this: http://www.urbanlegends.com/language/etymology/fuck/fuck_references.html and it seems pretty well researched.

 Signature 

If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?&&&&&&&&

Profile
 
 
Posted: 13 February 2004 05:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  917
Joined  2003-11-20

Brazilian Dude,


   This is something that other people  on this site would more experts on than myself, but I heard that it (fuck) is a word of Anglo-Saxon origin that originally meant to ‘dig a hole in the ground ’ as in the expression ‘to fuck the earth’ still used as late as the 17th century. I don’t know exactly when it came to mean ‘copulation’.

    Although it’s one of those taboo words, every language has a term for it. Not too long ago archaeologists found a piece of Etruscan grafitti in Italy which turned out to be the Etruscan word for ‘fuck’.

    When I was in high school we had an exchange student from Ecuador named Diego who confused ‘to fuck’ with the verb ‘to kiss’ . He was telling me and a friend of mine one day about his escapades with girls and how "I fucked this girl on her lips" and that girl on her lips" etc. My friend and I both interupted him and said "Diego, ‘fuck’ doesn’t mean that!".

 Signature 

b

Profile
 
 
Posted: 13 February 2004 06:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  157
Joined  2003-09-09

from the OED:

Early mod.E fuck, fuk, answering to a ME. type *fuken (wk. vb.) not found; ulterior etym. unknown. Synonymous G. ficken cannot be shown to be related.

and, earliest usage:

a1503 DUNBAR Poems lxxv. 13 Be his feiris he wald haue fukkit. 1535 LYNDESAY Satyre 1363 Bischops..may fuck thair fill and be vnmaryit. 1535-36  Answer to Kingis Flyting 49 Ay fukkand lyke ane furious Fornicatour. 1598 FLORIO Worlde of Wordes 137/1 Fottere, to iape, to sard, to fucke, to swive, to occupy.

the AHD says this:

ETYMOLOGY: Middle English, attested in pseudo-Latin fuccant, (they) fuck, deciphered from gxddbov.

WORD HISTORY: The obscenity fuck is a very old word and has been considered shocking from the first, though it is seen in print much more often now than in the past. Its first known occurrence, in code because of its unacceptability, is in a poem composed in a mixture of Latin and English sometime before 1500. The poem, which satirizes the Carmelite friars of Cambridge, England, takes its title, "Flen flyys," from the first words of its opening line, "Flen, flyys, and freris," that is, "fleas, flies, and friars." The line that contains fuck reads "Non sunt in coeli, quia gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk." The Latin words "Non sunt in coeli, quia," mean "they [the friars] are not in heaven, since." The code "gxddbov xxkxzt pg ifmk" is easily broken by simply substituting the preceding letter in the alphabet, keeping in mind differences in the alphabet and in spelling between then and now: i was then used for both i and j; v was used for both u and v; and vv was used for w. This yields "fvccant [a fake Latin form] vvivys of heli." The whole thus reads in translation: "They are not in heaven because they fuck wives of Ely [a town near Cambridge]."  

and http://www.wordorigins.org has a similar, interesting discussion here:
http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorf.htm.

Personally, I wish there were more words that were so bad you have to encode them.  :o

David

 Signature 

ai pente odegusai archai:&&&&agnot;ês, aphesis, apheidia, mê philautia, tapeinophrosunê

Profile
 
 
Posted: 13 February 2004 06:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  3773
Joined  2002-08-01

We had a thread on this topic already as well… Can’t search for it right now, but I would encourage anyone else who has time! smile

-Tim

 Signature 

For myself, I find I become less cynical rather than more… and realize that men’s hearts are not often as bad as their acts, and very seldom as bad as their words. - JRR Tolkien

Profile
 
 
Posted: 14 February 2004 09:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  349
Joined  2002-11-18

Well, from this corner of the worls it has been claimed that there is an old Swedish word fokka meaning moving back and forth.  Well .........

 Signature 

Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla. (Seneca)

Profile
 
 
Posted: 12 November 2009 10:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
Newbie
Rank
Total Posts:  1
Joined  2009-11-11

Hey pepole I would like to allege hello i like meet new pepole, and share stuff with them

Profile
 
 
Posted: 13 November 2009 09:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
Sr. Member
Avatar
RankRankRankRank
Total Posts:  10184
Joined  2008-04-02

Very interesting that you chose this word to post under, watuimams.

Profile
 
 
   
 
 
‹‹ moon shine      "Land Sakes!" ››