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Posted: 24 June 2003 05:29 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Is it ‘his or herself’ or ‘him or herself’?

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Posted: 24 June 2003 05:48 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Him or herself.

To be quite correct, it should be himself or herself, although the above usage is common.

His or herself is flat wrong.

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Posted: 24 June 2003 06:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Well that seems clear enough. Thanks

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Posted: 25 June 2003 01:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I agree with palewriter that ‘him or herself is "correct," but what about the real English that has found its way forward in our daily speech: Themselves!

In the sense of: "Everyone should pick up their ticket(s) at the door."

-Or-

"I hope that anyone who is feeling ill today will kindly excuse themselves from wrestling!"

I call this the "false plural of ambiguity."

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Posted: 25 June 2003 02:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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false plural of ambiguity

Good point, Sitran.

You could probably write a dissertation with that title and pick up a PhD.  :)   I’m still working on mine: Overlooked Quantum Physics Terminology in the Works of William Shakespeare. A thin but riveting monograph.

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Posted: 03 July 2003 09:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Wait…so
"Myself" "Yourself"
"Ourselves" "Yourselves"
yet when you reach the 3rd person it becomes the Objective, not the Genitive form which precedes -self/selves.

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Posted: 03 July 2003 09:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Yes, Palaeosophist, that seems to be the pattern for Standard English.

Other dialects, other patterns!

"Can a person really talk to themself?"

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Posted: 03 July 2003 10:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I remember a past discussion in here where somebody said:

In some dialects of Southern American English, it’s common to hear ‘his own self/her own self’, etc.

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