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Posted: 15 February 2004 03:45 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Which one is the correct english grammar :

1. Completeness of debit notes ‘raised’ against the erring Partners

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2. Completeness of debit notes ‘rose’ against the erring Partners.

Can anyone suggest when to use both these words?

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Posted: 15 February 2004 09:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Hmm… I think this is similar to the lie/lay quandry.  Use ‘raised’ if something external was doing the raising, but use ‘rose’ if it was an act of the thing itself.

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Posted: 16 February 2004 07:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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The Columbia Guide to Standard American English says:

raise 2, rise (nn., vv.)
 
 
Rise (rose, risen) is almost always intransitive: The river rose overnight. Prices have risen again this month. Raise (raised, raised) is usually transitive: We finally raised the money. Raise also has some intransitive use, most of it dialectal or otherwise Nonstandard, but some of it fairly widely heard, particularly in sentences that drop the reflexive pronoun, such as She raised [herself] up on her elbow in bed to peer at the clock. Even Standard users sometimes use raised this way, but only at the lower levels of speech, and other Standard users can sometimes be highly critical.

Hope this helps.

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Posted: 16 February 2004 12:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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It’s difficult to give a proper grammatical answer to the original post since both examples given are incomplete sentences.

Debit notes are always "raised", though. In this case "raise" is synonymous with "issued".  

I suspect, therefore, that example (1) really means: Completeness of debit notes (that were) raised against the erring Partners.

Example (2) is nonsense.

Invoices, debit notes, etc are "raised"; never "rose."

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Posted: 20 September 2009 03:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Rise (rose, risen) is almost always intransitive.
But still depends on how the user will use it in delivering the word or in writing the sentence.


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Posted: 22 September 2009 05:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Posted: 25 September 2009 12:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I believe raised is correct. Rose doesnt sound right in that context.

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Posted: 25 September 2009 12:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Prose be praised, John Thomas !

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Posted: 25 September 2009 01:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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douglang - 25 September 2009 12:24 PM

Prose be praised, John Thomas !

He’s just advertising, doug, don’t praise him, he could not care less.

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